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Machinarium => General Machinarium topics => Topic started by: Ulyasha Karp on October 22, 2009, 12:14:22 pm



Title: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 22, 2009, 12:14:22 pm
Yes, is no secret that the Machinarium has a lot of bugs,  :-\ :-\ :-\
Here are just a part from the facts that I met! >:(

1. (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/2.jpg)

At some point of this level gameplay all the buttons disappear...

2. (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/d249ae28.jpg)

at some point - two hatches, two chairs on one picture


3. (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/6.jpg)

When Yosef moves from the chapel to the edge of the bridge, he was partially disappears behind the swimming pool ...

4. (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/3.jpg)

when returning back with an umbrella, there are 2 container pot instead of one

5. (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/9.jpg)



Calculate number of lamppost levels and compare with the initial...


6. (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/7.jpg)

at certain points shows the steps on the lever instead torsion... such as here - (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/d.jpg)


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: kotovsky on October 22, 2009, 01:56:08 pm
Wow.
I've completed this game (1C/Snowball edition) three times. Haven't seen any bugs. (i'm not a tester though)


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Bio on October 22, 2009, 03:00:56 pm
Can you be more specific telling us step by step (if possibile) how did you get these bugs? This could help the developers to debug.
However, in my opinion, some of these bugs (lamppost and container) are not intended to ruin the gameplay impeding you to proceede, so they haven't priority.

Thank you for posting :)




Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: popsUlfr on October 22, 2009, 03:08:59 pm
I would rather call those "glitches" and not bugs. For me bugs count to those things that break the game mechanics and frankly I haven't seen any hick ups that would fit this description.
Machinarium has by a far shot only a small amount of glitches compared to other contesters.


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 22, 2009, 04:22:46 pm
If you did not see them "bugs or glitches", does not mean that they are not there ...
I suggest you carefully through the game and you all will see there...
All this ... happened when inconsistent and wrong passing game..


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: popsUlfr on October 22, 2009, 04:55:31 pm
If you did not see them "bugs or glitches", does not mean that they are not there ...
I suggest you carefully through the game and you all will see there...
All this ... happened when inconsistent and wrong passing game..

I never said that I didn't see those "glitches" but here's my question: Did they stop your progress? Were they gamestopping for you?
You know maybe the playtesters noticed those things but it wasn't considered a priority by the devs because they had to fix some other problems that may stop you from continuing the game.
When it comes to game development you have to make compromises to get your product out at some point, some companies make too many and it results in broken games that need numerous post-release patches.
I salute your effort though and you shouldn't be angry about it. If you continue finding those and explaining how you get them, it may reveal helpful for all involved in making the game :)


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Rhialto on October 22, 2009, 05:16:40 pm
5. (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/karpuk/9.jpg)

Calculate number of lamppost levels and compare with the initial...

Cones are back?  Haven't noticed when I played it...  oops!  They might have missed a few details but otherwise it was awesome.


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Bio on October 22, 2009, 05:28:04 pm
I think Amanita is scheduling a fix patch or something like that.
I've to agree with popsUlfr and with myself (:D)...these "bugs or glitches" don't stop your game progress, so they have less relevance. This not means that they don't exist.
The only right thing we can do is to put in evidence (as you have done) these problems and wait for a fix.

Bye :)


Title: plop
Post by: Nurykabe on October 22, 2009, 06:01:46 pm
ok, i got some of these glitches too, and some other you didn't mention, like :

(http://www.nurykabe.com/temp/machinarium/machbug1.jpg)
(the bubble with two wires is still open)
and
(http://www.nurykabe.com/temp/machinarium/machbug2.jpg)
(am I supposed to see this hint here ? I'm back from the other room)

I also had one when playing the minigame with the other robot in the pub. The game stopped but the panel stayed open.

A friend reported that the sequences with memories of the robot made the game crash on his computer.

Another bug I spotted was in the retro minigame (the one near to the end) the caracter was stucked between an enemy and a wall and was not able to move at all.

None of these bugs really prevented me from playing though. In worst case I just had to reboot the game and start from a previous save. Hope it helps.


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Lamkin on October 22, 2009, 06:58:22 pm
Well, this glitch (http://machinarium.net/forum/index.php/topic,280.msg1073.html#msg1073) that mccartercar had discovered in the demo was fixed in the final version, and it hadn't stopped the game, so I think that Amanita is interested in fixing at least some of the more glaring glitches.
=o)


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 22, 2009, 07:33:57 pm
I already wrote about the many glitch personally Jacob Dvorsky but he has ignored my letters ...
 :(


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Oldes on October 22, 2009, 07:45:24 pm
Yes, is no secret that the Machinarium has a lot of bugs,  :-\ :-\ :-\
Here are just a part from the facts that I met! >:(

If you really want to be helpful, please send me steps how to reproduce these bugs on support@machinarium.net (so you will not put more game spoilers here) Without "steps to reproduce" it's hard to find the bugs and to make a fix (except the bug in the gate level where it's clear enough - but sorry, its not a "hard" bug - it's just a missing detail).


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Oldes on October 22, 2009, 08:10:50 pm
I already wrote about the many glitch personally Jacob Dvorsky but he has ignored my letters ...
 :(

I don't know what you have been reporting, but I'm (alone) programming this game and I don't have any steps to reproduce to fix at this moment. Jakub just told me that you were reporting bugs but not how to reproduce such a bugs (something like here)... if you were sending emails with more information, it must be lost somewhere. So again, if you really want to help to fix these, write me on support@machinarium.net how to exactly reproduce them... Thanks. I'm especially interested in the bug with the magnet controller (arrows).


Title: Re: plop
Post by: Oldes on October 22, 2009, 08:18:06 pm
(the bubble with two wires is still open)

I can reproduce this one.. I'm fixing it.


Title: Re: plop
Post by: Oldes on October 22, 2009, 08:30:07 pm
A friend reported that the sequences with memories of the robot made the game crash on his computer.

Which one? In which game size? With HW acceleration turned off? On which OS?


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 22, 2009, 08:41:15 pm
David , dont worry, we  will fix all this bugs ourselves...!  :-\


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 23, 2009, 11:39:45 am
Nobody is going..


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: jd on October 23, 2009, 01:29:57 pm
I already wrote about the many glitch personally Jacob Dvorsky but he has ignored my letters ...
 :(

In fact, you just wrote that there are bugs so I answered to you asking which bugs exactly - never heard from you again. maybe you didn't receive the email...


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: popsUlfr on October 23, 2009, 07:19:47 pm
I might have a go at filing a report on how to get these "bugs" but there's just so much I can do. It would be very helpful if Ulyasha could try to explain and give some indications on how to get them even if english isn't his mothertongue.


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 23, 2009, 08:25:21 pm
what is the point twitch when the game is already out?
 
and JD, yes I didn't receive the email...


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: popsUlfr on October 23, 2009, 08:31:03 pm
what is the point twitch when the game is already out?


Because they could maybe release a patch fixing those?
Look "Oldes" is a programmer on the team and he's asking us to help him reproduce these "bugs". You wouldn't want to be involved in making this game "better"?


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Bio on October 23, 2009, 09:20:43 pm
In my opinion he's just trolling....
The topic title is deliberately provocative and if someone asks him further explanations, he doesn't answer properly.
So i think he doesn't want to make this game better.


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 24, 2009, 01:31:54 am
In my opinion he's just trolling....
The topic title is deliberately provocative and if someone asks him further explanations, he doesn't answer properly.
So i think he doesn't want to make this game better.


But In my opinion you just scrolling....
In topic only a statement of fact game problem and way of solving it!
I answer only as I want and yours any rules or rules of properly answer use himself or hide away..


 You wouldn't want to be involved in making this game "better"?

It all depends from the relationship and from how people behave hiself ..
We really can to help each other instead of squabbling swearing...


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Fred on October 24, 2009, 01:37:29 am
You are not being helpfull: if you want to help just answer the programmer, if not you are just messing up.


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 24, 2009, 02:00:23 am
You are not being helpfull: if you want to help just answer the programmer, if not you are just messing up.

unsatisfactory statement of proposals to help :(
no relationship no understanding...


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: ivi on October 24, 2009, 05:02:50 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx1957G52A1qdq1bfo1_400.gif)

Mod comment: updated expired Imageshack image


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Bio on October 24, 2009, 09:22:14 am

[CUT]

I answer only as I want and yours any rules or rules of properly answer use himself or hide away..


So, what do you demand? Feel free to answer as you want but don't complain about bugs or glitches unfixed.
I've said what I think and I will not reply again to this topic, unless I've useful information to help developers.
I don't have anything against you, I've just expressed my opinion about your answers.

Bye


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 24, 2009, 12:03:06 pm
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6840/crazycatlady.gif)

MODEDIT:Disgusting Picture ahead! You've been warned!
http://www.adolflachman.cz/obr/galerie3/plne/pesan.jpg


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: divit on October 24, 2009, 10:10:37 pm
Awwww, U just wants sympathy..

*hugs Ulyasha*


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: Ulyasha Karp on October 25, 2009, 12:49:57 am
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6840/crazycatlady.gif)

MODEDIT:Disgusting Picture ahead! You've been warned!
http://www.adolflachman.cz/obr/galerie3/plne/pesan.jpg

warned better Adolf Lachman >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: HARD GAME BUGS !!! You can dismiss your testers ... >:(
Post by: popsUlfr on October 25, 2009, 10:51:10 am
warned better Adolf Lachman >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

If you have nothing more constructive to add to this topic then just don't post in it.


Title: Re: plop
Post by: Nurykabe on October 29, 2009, 03:12:08 pm
A friend reported that the sequences with memories of the robot made the game crash on his computer.

Which one? In which game size? With HW acceleration turned off? On which OS?

Which one ? All of them.
In which game size ? The small one.
With HW acceleration turned off ? I don't think he changed this.
On which OS ? Windows XP
Apparently the game didn't crash but it started to run so slow that he was obliged to restart it every time.


Title: Patch 01 available for download
Post by: jd on October 29, 2009, 11:51:22 pm
here's the first patch: http://machinarium.net/blog/2009/10/29/machinarium-patch-01/

we have fixed the bug with the crank in plaza level, stuck place in prison guard level, wrong walkthrough page in kitchen level (when checking for the 2nd time), cones and steps on the lamp in gate level when you come there for the 2nd time and maybe some other minor bugs I don't remember.