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Title: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 10, 2010, 02:31:22 am
I recently helped a friend build a new computer in order to play games like this one. After the initial boot of the computer we installed the game and it played FLAWLESSLY.. This was before we changed the resolution. Once we changed the resolution anything higher than 640x480 the game became incredibly laggy to the point to where it's simply unplayable. We searched the internet, updated all drivers to the latest and nothing solves the problem except lowering the resolution down to 640x480 which makes it unplayable still since most of the game is cut off by the resolution. I also noticed that this problem persists through all flash games, online and offline.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: Sandy Trunks on March 10, 2010, 11:00:43 am
Have you deactivated FLASH's hardware acceleration?
From the FAQ (http://machinarium.net/demo/):
Make sure your hardware acceleration in Flash Player is disabled:
1. Right click (or ctrl click on Mac) on the screen.
2. Choose settings.
3. Click on the icon in bottom left corner.
4. Make sure the hardware acceleration box is unchecked.



Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 10, 2010, 10:07:44 pm
Yes, done that also. Does absolutely nothing towards eliminating the problem.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: jst65 on March 11, 2010, 01:34:29 am

>After the initial boot of the computer we installed the game and it played FLAWLESSLY
>This was before we changed the resolution.
>updated all drivers to the latest
>this problem persists through all flash games

Of course the problem is not in the game, try uninstall/clean/reinstall video drivers


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: Sandy Trunks on March 11, 2010, 05:19:27 am
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I also noticed that this problem persists through all flash games, online and offline

Too bad the hardware acceleration work around didn't work for you!  Hopefully jst65's suggestion will help.
But also, to help the peeps here on the forum troubleshoot this issue with you, please post the specs of the machine you're having all these "flash game related problems" on.  Tell us the processor type, RAM, video card, etc.... 


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 11, 2010, 10:28:30 am

>After the initial boot of the computer we installed the game and it played FLAWLESSLY
>This was before we changed the resolution.
>updated all drivers to the latest
>this problem persists through all flash games

Of course the problem is not in the game, try uninstall/clean/reinstall video drivers


We tried that serveral times, even installing older driver versions. Nothing solves it.


Quote
I also noticed that this problem persists through all flash games, online and offline

Too bad the hardware acceleration work around didn't work for you!  Hopefully jst65's suggestion will help.
But also, to help the peeps here on the forum troubleshoot this issue with you, please post the specs of the machine you're having all these "flash game related problems" on.  Tell us the processor type, RAM, video card, etc....

Intel 1.7ghz
1024mb DDR
nVidia GeForce 6800 512 DDR


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: jst65 on March 11, 2010, 11:38:39 am
Of course the problem is not in the game, try uninstall/clean/reinstall video drivers

We tried that serveral times, even installing older driver versions. Nothing solves it.

Than this
>This was before we changed the resolution.
screwed things up somehow.

Have you tried a restore point? If it is not gone already.

Also please dont forget to come back and tell us how u fixed the problem, should you ever succeed without rebuilding the machine.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 11, 2010, 10:54:38 pm
Of course the problem is not in the game, try uninstall/clean/reinstall video drivers

We tried that serveral times, even installing older driver versions. Nothing solves it.

Than this
>This was before we changed the resolution.
screwed things up somehow.

Have you tried a restore point? If it is not gone already.

Also please dont forget to come back and tell us how u fixed the problem, should you ever succeed without rebuilding the machine.


Problem is still there. Restore point would be no good as the Windows XP install was fresh, as I said I had just built the computer for him. It was literally running less than 10 minutes before we tried the game. I'm 100% sure the resolution has everything to do with it, and not drivers. I just don't understand why the resolution effects it.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: ABoretz on March 12, 2010, 02:45:25 am

Hi durriej.  Earlier you wrote: "This was before we changed the resolution" but you never said what the initial rez was.  FYI the game was designed for either 100% mode (1250x790) or 80% mode (1000x632) on machines with the following minimum specs (http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=748&game=Machinarium):

Intel Processor   -      Pentium 4 1.8GHz
AMD Processor   -    Athlon XP 1800+
Nvidia Graphics Card   -    Geforce 6500
ATI Graphics Card   -    Radeon HD 3400 Series
RAM Memory   -    0.5 GB
Hard Disk Space   -    0.2 GB
Direct X   -    9

Also, there was another thread about a month ago that mentioned some "performance tweaks" ~here (http://machinarium.net/forum/index.php/topic,930.msg4390.html#msg4390)~ that might give you some ideas to try out.  Hope you can finally debug soon and get on with the game!   :)



Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 12, 2010, 07:19:30 am

Hi durriej.  Earlier you wrote: "This was before we changed the resolution" but you never said what the initial rez was.  FYI the game was designed for either 100% mode (1250x790) or 80% mode (1000x632) on machines with the following minimum specs (http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=748&game=Machinarium):

Intel Processor   -      Pentium 4 1.8GHz
AMD Processor   -    Athlon XP 1800+
Nvidia Graphics Card   -    Geforce 6500
ATI Graphics Card   -    Radeon HD 3400 Series
RAM Memory   -    0.5 GB
Hard Disk Space   -    0.2 GB
Direct X   -    9

Also, there was another thread about a month ago that mentioned some "performance tweaks" ~here (http://machinarium.net/forum/index.php/topic,930.msg4390.html#msg4390)~ that might give you some ideas to try out.  Hope you can finally debug soon and get on with the game!   :)


I did mention what the initial resolution, it was in my first post which is 640x480. The thing to remember here was this was right after the initial boot of installing a fresh copy of Windows XP. There was no anti-virus installed. Also none of those tweaks worked. This problem persists through all flash games not just this one. I posted here just to see if ANYONE on this forum could more-less point me into a direction that may help (Although this game is the main one we are worried about). I'm beginning to think that his graphics card may be the culprit, even though it's flash which is weird.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: jst65 on March 12, 2010, 11:54:22 am
Do other non-flash games that fits your specs run fine? (directX... FPS games, etc)


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 12, 2010, 07:37:19 pm
Do other non-flash games that fits your specs run fine? (directX... FPS games, etc)

Yes. It seems like all other games that he is able to play giving his computer specs work just fine.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: jst65 on March 13, 2010, 12:29:34 am
Do other non-flash games that fits your specs run fine? (directX... FPS games, etc)

Yes. It seems like all other games that he is able to play giving his computer specs work just fine.
Try reinstalling Flash player if you haven't yet.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 13, 2010, 02:12:43 am
Do other non-flash games that fits your specs run fine? (directX... FPS games, etc)

Yes. It seems like all other games that he is able to play giving his computer specs work just fine.
Try reinstalling Flash player if you haven't yet.
Already tried, also tried using older versions.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: Matt on March 13, 2010, 12:16:59 pm

>After the initial boot of the computer we installed the game and it played FLAWLESSLY
>This was before we changed the resolution.
>updated all drivers to the latest
>this problem persists through all flash games

Of course the problem is not in the game, try uninstall/clean/reinstall video drivers


We tried that serveral times, even installing older driver versions. Nothing solves it.


Quote
I also noticed that this problem persists through all flash games, online and offline

Too bad the hardware acceleration work around didn't work for you!  Hopefully jst65's suggestion will help.
But also, to help the peeps here on the forum troubleshoot this issue with you, please post the specs of the machine you're having all these "flash game related problems" on.  Tell us the processor type, RAM, video card, etc....

Intel 1.7ghz
1024mb DDR
nVidia GeForce 6800 512 DDR

What is exactly your processor? Is it Intel Pentium 4 or Intel Celeron (Celeron has less cache)? In minimum specs there is Pentium 4 1.8 and it have twice as many cache as Pentium 1.7 so this may be the cause of lagging in higher resolutions. Also check how many space you have on your hard drive (some games would lag for me if I have less then half of my hard drive's memory free)  :)


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: jst65 on March 13, 2010, 03:01:35 pm
It's a Celeron. Overheating issue?

Did you find those minimum specs on amanita/machinarium site? Or on the back of the box?
jd said back to June 2009 "we haven't tested the game on many machines yet so we don't know the exact system requirements to play the game smoothly" (i.e. recommended specs).




Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 13, 2010, 07:35:13 pm

>After the initial boot of the computer we installed the game and it played FLAWLESSLY
>This was before we changed the resolution.
>updated all drivers to the latest
>this problem persists through all flash games

Of course the problem is not in the game, try uninstall/clean/reinstall video drivers


We tried that serveral times, even installing older driver versions. Nothing solves it.


Quote
I also noticed that this problem persists through all flash games, online and offline

Too bad the hardware acceleration work around didn't work for you!  Hopefully jst65's suggestion will help.
But also, to help the peeps here on the forum troubleshoot this issue with you, please post the specs of the machine you're having all these "flash game related problems" on.  Tell us the processor type, RAM, video card, etc....

Intel 1.7ghz
1024mb DDR
nVidia GeForce 6800 512 DDR

What is exactly your processor? Is it Intel Pentium 4 or Intel Celeron (Celeron has less cache)? In minimum specs there is Pentium 4 1.8 and it have twice as many cache as Pentium 1.7 so this may be the cause of lagging in higher resolutions. Also check how many space you have on your hard drive (some games would lag for me if I have less then half of my hard drive's memory free)  :)

It's an Intel Celeron. The weird thing is it doesn't matter which flash game or application it is. If it's flash it lags.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: Matt on March 13, 2010, 08:09:13 pm
It's a Celeron. Overheating issue?

Did you find those minimum specs on amanita/machinarium site? Or on the back of the box?
jd said back to June 2009 "we haven't tested the game on many machines yet so we don't know the exact system requirements to play the game smoothly" (i.e. recommended specs).




I looked at specs that ABoretz posted a few posts ago  :P


>After the initial boot of the computer we installed the game and it played FLAWLESSLY
>This was before we changed the resolution.
>updated all drivers to the latest
>this problem persists through all flash games

Of course the problem is not in the game, try uninstall/clean/reinstall video drivers


We tried that serveral times, even installing older driver versions. Nothing solves it.


Quote
I also noticed that this problem persists through all flash games, online and offline

Too bad the hardware acceleration work around didn't work for you!  Hopefully jst65's suggestion will help.
But also, to help the peeps here on the forum troubleshoot this issue with you, please post the specs of the machine you're having all these "flash game related problems" on.  Tell us the processor type, RAM, video card, etc....

Intel 1.7ghz
1024mb DDR
nVidia GeForce 6800 512 DDR

What is exactly your processor? Is it Intel Pentium 4 or Intel Celeron (Celeron has less cache)? In minimum specs there is Pentium 4 1.8 and it have twice as many cache as Pentium 1.7 so this may be the cause of lagging in higher resolutions. Also check how many space you have on your hard drive (some games would lag for me if I have less then half of my hard drive's memory free)  :)

It's an Intel Celeron. The weird thing is it doesn't matter which flash game or application it is. If it's flash it lags.

I know what you mean. I own Intel Pentium 4 3.2 and some flash games lags a lot on my computer, especially games with lots of objects, music, etc. Less demanding flash applications should work for you though. Have you tried playing some simple flash animation with few things? If it lags too, then it is not the fault of your hardware, but rather software.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: durriej on March 14, 2010, 02:59:05 am

I know what you mean. I own Intel Pentium 4 3.2 and some flash games lags a lot on my computer, especially games with lots of objects, music, etc. Less demanding flash applications should work for you though. Have you tried playing some simple flash animation with few things? If it lags too, then it is not the fault of your hardware, but rather software.

Pretty much all flash lags for him. It did on his other computer as well, and the only thing transferred from that computer was his graphics card.


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: zollum on October 03, 2010, 08:10:09 am
I know this is a pretty big bump but I have the same problem and I have been reading through and using all of these suggestions and Machinarium still runs painfully slow. I am using Linux Mint though, anymore ideas?


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: nicolas on October 03, 2010, 09:37:58 am
I know this is a pretty big bump but I have the same problem and I have been reading through and using all of these suggestions and Machinarium still runs painfully slow. I am using Linux Mint though, anymore ideas?

Hi. Try to play windowed instead of fullscreen. ;)


Title: Re: Lags Horribly.
Post by: zollum on October 04, 2010, 11:55:33 pm
Thank you  :)